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Concerned, But Not Wanting To Offend, Canada Quietly Plants Privacy Hedge Along Entire U.S. Border.

 


“And we’re happy to pay for it,” say a united front of Canadian premiers, national leaders, mayors, citizens, and casual acquaintances, of the newly planted hedge that has sprung up seemingly overnight, running unbroken for 6,416 kilometers, along the world’s longest undefended border.

“Sometimes the best way for neighbours to get along, is a little bit of privacy. Even in the winter. Even when you have to break frozen ground to get it. Even when your neighbour has spy satellites and a penchant for caching electronic communications. Even then, a hedge can’t hurt.”

A continuous growth of Cherry Laurel, the overnight hedge stands an average of two meters high, and is expected to grow to be at least double that by the end of Donald Trump’s first term, when a review of the green screen is planned. At that time the hedge will either be topped with barbed wire, or made into a tourist attraction by being trimmed to form a living storyboard of the Disney franchise.

“What we do with the hedge will depend entirely on what’s happening to the south,” says one hedge-funder, Jim Freedman, a pretty nice guy who just wants to be left alone, while giving this reporter a tour of the newly defined perimeter. “If our neighbours opt to renew the presidency of a man who encourages nuclear proliferation, doubts climate change, mocks civil rights leaders – and anyone else who disagrees with him – all via the most reductive social media platform available well,” here Jim pauses and looks skyward, above the flourishing living fence he helped to put in place, “I’m told this thing can reach forty feet within a decade or two.”

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  1. Beautiful Idea! I understand. Unfortunately, I am stuck over on the American side of the Hedge, but I’ve noted Cherry Laurel, as a fast grower, and may plant it around all my house, starting this weekend.

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    • Darling Julie, “Relocating to Canada”;
      sweetheart, it is a very good thing that you love your country. We also love ours. Our immigration hurdles are legion and sadly I doubt that being an American would pop you to the front of the line. It also takes years and years so by the time you came up to scrutiny your own nightmare will probably be over. But gosh, thanks for thinking of us.

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      • “Our immigration hurdles are legion” and maybe it’s exactly why your 86% WHITE and yet whoever wrote this article still feels you can comment on others…… love the beautiful hedge though & looking forward to a McKenzie brothers comeback movie based on it. Similar to the forever amazing John Candy & Eugene Levy style. For those considering moving there. Don’t let it just be empty words. Learn Russian though in case anything happens to US. 😉

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      • Here’s an idea. Maybe one reason that 86% of Canadians are white is because Canada’s immigration policies didn’t include the same penchant for forcing non-white people to emigrate from Africa the way that US policies did. Of course it’s more complicated than that, and despite Canada’s population having a higher percentage of white people than the US their foreign born population is about 60% higher than the US’s, at almost 21% compared to 13% in the US.

        But, hey, don’t feel that you shouldn’t participate just because you’re not well informed.

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      • Dear relocating to Canada..our laws are very strict here but not for immigrants from other countries hell we will give them a house get them a job give them a steady paycheque and provide daycare for them.. the rest of us who were born here have to fend for ourselves and we get taxed to death.. our government is just as bad so I don’t think the grass is any greener over here I’m sorry to say

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      • Canadians are the rudest people I have ever met! !! They love the Tourism money from America, but not the body that comes with the green backs. I lived in Washington state for 20 years. Went to Canada several times. It didn’t impress me at all, and you seemed more like the French than English. Glad your country and you are so perfect. By gosh there could be a time in the future you need us. We are allies remember. Maybe you won’t be at the front of our line either.

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      • Julie, you Americans just ASSume you can waltz into any country and take over (an apartment, at least). Well, the answer is a definitive, “Maybee yes, maybee no, you’re going to just have to wait and see, OK?”

        When you come, leave the car a running, is all I’m saying.

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    • Why do all you people think Canadians want you whining asses here? Canada doe NOT want people who can’t accept democracy . So keep all the snowflakes on the American side of the hedge.

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      • Gayle, loved your question: “How is it that you all say you’re moving to Canada? Why do none of you say “I’m moving to Mexico”?”
        The reason? Because Mexico’s immigration requirements are enforced MUCH more strictly than those of the US – these people would be thrown out of Mexico if they attempted to immigrate illegally.
        Isn’t that a hoot? They object to the US enforcing its laws but can’t move into the countries that are sending the illegal immigrants to them.
        The hypocrisy of liberal thinking is simply astounding!

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      • Gayle it’s a joke? As for WallyM

        Stop complaining. I know many conservative Canadians who HATE Justin Trudeau. They call him a cheater, they call him corrupt, the conservatives complain how their freedom is taken away, but then I did what you did to you, I posted:

        CIT 0302 – Application to Renounce Canadian Citizenship under Subsection 9(1)
        http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/CIT0302ETOC.asp

        I tell them they have freedom. Freedom from government overreach, like purchasing insurance and paying a copay as high as $40,000 or Canadian $53276.40, freedom from reasonable gun control: you can buy and possess: all these weapons in this video..legally (https://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia/videos), you also have the freedom of religion (called Christianity) and have the right discriminate against any other religion of your choice.

        Many of the conservatives change their minds quickly…even the folks from Alberta, you know, the Texans in Canada, who drive pickup trucks with a gun rack without the gun.

        In all honesty, there are U.S. citizens who are sick of the right wingers here and are willing to sacrifice some freedom afforded to us to live in a civil society.

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        • Excuse me? Because we perhaps disagree on some issues, that should make me want to leave Canada – AND, if we don’t, we’re not serious about our concerns? Sorry, but that is a false equivalency if ever there was one. You seem to be saying I can’t complain because I don’t live in Canada. Well, let me put it this way to you: when the US stops asking Canadian soldiers to die fighting YOUR wars, I’ll stop commenting. Fair deal?
          Now that we have that out of the way, it just so happens that we have a very good system here in Canada and without nearly as much angst and disagreement, not to mention civil unrest, rapes and murders, as you have in yours. It hasn’t always been so – we’ve had our disagreeable times also, just as you’ve had much more settled periods than now.
          Yes, there are people in the US who are willing to give up some of your constitutionally guaranteed freedoms – but that doesn’t mean you’d have a more civil society.
          Why? Because until the left has every damn thing it demands, and rainbow coloured lollipops coming out their anal sphincters, they won’t be happy. That means a transgender in every bathroom and every other sort of socially destructive policy they can come up with, the elimination of the 2nd amendment, abortion until the child is three years of age….heck, whatever some idiot professor at some left wing den of iniquity can dream up.
          Today was a perfect example. The left wing promised no violence at the demonstrations. Fortunately, the police knew better and there were 35000 officers on hand to deal with the lunacy – and the lunatics. There were, as of an hour ago, over 220 people arrested for various acts of violence and rioting, cars set on fire, windows broken and more, and that was in DC alone. We don’t know yet about the rest of the country.
          For example, if you think BLM is going to disappear, you’re entirely out of touch with reality. They clammed up during the election, because to have continued their cop killing spree would have guaranteed a Trump victory of even greater numbers. They were out in force in DC today, and they won’t be going away – despite the fact that the statistics show that over 95% of all black men killed are killed by – other black men, and fewer than 1% of all black killings are by police officers. You see, the truth isn’t what matters to far too many of you fools. You believe that the end justifies the means and thus, lying, rioting and more is perfectly acceptable. A large part of America is sick of anyone who believes this, but rather than give up their freedoms, they elected a man and an administration that will use the law to control the idiots, not encourage them. That’s how things are supposed to work.
          You have a great country – I like and admire it for many things, not the least of which is your bloody determination to get it right, do the best you can. Sometimes that means you’re coming from the left, and other times from the right but your goal is always to get it right, and that’s admirable. But your politicians have used divide and conquer tactics to rule, and thus we see a country that is badly dysfunctional. Hopefully, Trump can change that, and hopefully, there are enough men and women of good will on the other side of the aisle to work with him for the greater good.
          If you want a civil society, you can make a personal start by demanding that the left stops its hissy fit and starts to find ways to co-operate with the current administration, seek some middle ground. Trump has made it clear he would welcome that. You can demand that the media clean up its act, reports the facts honestly and fairly and without bias – starting with CNN and MSNBC I would add, and the NY TImes.
          No less than liberal icon Jon Stewart has said as much, has said that the left needs to understand that they lost, and they need to stop whining and figure out where they went wrong.
          Maybe when you resolve your issues in the US, I’ll consider your offer. Not until then. I’m quite happy being just a visitor.

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        • Its sad that so many people dont get the whole gist of what satire is. And btw, I’m moving to Puerto Rico where its always sunny and 80 degrees. While it is a US territory, it’s sort of the bastard child of Florida.

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      • Maybe because Americans cannot speak Spanish and dont want to…they just mention Canada because they are lazy and thats the easiest thing to do.

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    • Better to put in nice NW wild blackberry. Almost as intimidating as razor wire and yet it supports birds and other wild things.

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  2. Sorry, but I already ripped out my section and threw it in the compost.
    I have a front row seat and a big bag of popcorn, and I’m going to spend the next four years heckling that clown!

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    • Yes I understand. I gave quite a few Canadian friends. It’s good to hear what they are saying on the other side of the hedge. As an American I am ashamed that Americans have voted for this buffoon and frightened about the next 4 years.

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      • @Wally M That is the most laughable thing I have ever heard in my entire life. The right gave Obama a chance? Did you forget the riots after he was elected, the riots started by your precious Party of Personal Responsibility? Did you forget the whole birth certificate trutherism? How they called him a Kenyan, a Muslim, a terrorist, Barrack Osama? Fucking up the ACA, legislature which was *originally proposed by Republicans*, just because a Democrat was the one championing it? Turning around and blaming him for any issues with it? Denying all of his political appointees, including his Supreme Court appointee before he had even named one? Stating that the goal of the entire GOP was to obstruct Obama and make him a one term president? Shutting down the government rather than approving a budget, costing millions, including myself, weeks of pay? Were you even awake these last 8 years? The right have been downright traitorous to this nation, and that isn’t a word I use lightly. I will say it again, the GOP has become the party of traitors.

        You can get fucked for asking us to do what you would not do yourself.

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      • Your memory is very poor, and your imagination a bit out of hand. How about you show me any reports of riots after Obama’s elections. You won’t, because you can’t. It didn’t happen. The vote on the ACA was held without any Republican intervention, and, in fact, the Democrats presented it as a fait accompli if you’ll remember: we have to pass it to find out what’s in it, Pelosi said. Forgot that did you? You can’t lay that level of stupid on the Republican party. The democrats own that mess.
        As for political appointees, check the record, such as this quote from Politico: “On Obama’s first day in office, the Senate confirmed seven of Obama’s Cabinet nominees. By the end of that week, it had cleared more than a dozen senior-level positions, all without dissent except for Hillary Clinton’s nomination to be secretary of state, for which the GOP demanded a roll call.”
        Now, here’s a word I don’t use lightly – you’re a liar. Your partisan position has you trying to gull people with bullshit, and your problem is that the facts – and google – don’t back you up. If I had more time, I’d rip bigger holes in your pile of crap response, but what’s here ought to suffice to show just what you’re up to.
        It sounds like you’re a government employee – and that tells us that you’re likely lazy, incompetent and overpaid. No wonder you fear your new president.

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      • @WallyM
        Why would you state outright lies that are so easy to disprove. Here’s a selection of delightfully racist Obama protests:
        http://www.revelist.com/politics/america-responds-obama/5855/this-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-to-be-bipartisan/4

        Here’s your new POTUS talking about Obama being a Kenyan Muslim:

        “His grandmother in Kenya said, ‘Oh, no, he was born in Kenya and I was there and I witnessed the birth.’ She’s on tape. I think that tape’s going to be produced fairly soon. Somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting.”
        – April 7, 2011, on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”

        “He doesn’t have a birth certificate, or if he does, there’s something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me — and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be — that where it says ‘religion,’ it might have ‘Muslim.’ And if you’re a Muslim, you don’t change your religion, by the way.”
        – March 30, 2011, on The Laura Ingraham Show

        Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
        https://www.nationaljournal.com/member/magazine/top-gop-priority-make-obama-a-one-term-president-20101023

        President Joe Biden told Robert Draper, author of book, “Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives”, that during the transition, “seven different Republican Senators” told him that “McConnell had demanded unified resistance.” This was after the 2008 election but before Obama and Biden took office.

        “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden says.

        The senate majority in 2009 was democratic and Obama didn’t nominate a bunch of unqualified nominees, so of course those confirmations weren’t held up.

        I am forced to conclude that your bizarre twisting of on-the-record facts like senate majorities and denial of actual statements reported by multiple witnesses is a symptom of some kind of mental illness, because for someone to outright lie about things that are easily disproved by the most cursory Google search belies rationality.

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      • Not my new potus, I’m Canadian. You noted that “The senate majority in 2009 was democratic …” You meant it was ‘Democratic’ I’m sure, democratic it was not.
        Now as to your comments about the trutherism debate…I didn’t talk about it, and I have no idea why you brought it up, unless you mean to deflect from other points I made that you fail to address.
        Confirmations weren’t held up because the Republicans weren’t playing that game. Currently, you have people claiming that Jeff Sessions is a racist – and any rational individual can see the lie in that with even a cursory look at his history. Claiming that Tillerson isn’t qualified is a joke. Kerry wasn’t qualified. Tillerson has run one of the world’s largest corporations and done more business with world leaders than that jackass Kerry ever thought about. But the democrats, they whine about him because to have someone that qualified in the position will show just how useless Kerry – and Clinton – were at the same job.
        Your conclusions are like faeces wrapped in brocade – very pretty on the outside, but when you look inside you find a quantity of waste material.

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  3. I am so glad you are growing this hedge. You do not want crap from the south. I would move to your country were not for the fact that I suffer from arthritis and I don’t like the cold.

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    • How cold is where you live? 36 here today…supposed to be 43 by Saturday. I have arthritis and I don’t like the cold either but we’re cosy and safe up here. Good luck with Trump.

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      • That’s the point, sven; America is the only country that people think they can just waltz in and out of – yet we are berated for wanting to adhere to immigration laws already in place.
        You know, like everyone else’s, including Canada.
        Good fences DO make good neighbors; hilarious that they think their hedge is an insult.

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    • If we assume that Robert Frost was the narrator in that poem (Mending Wall – 1914), then he was not asserting that “Good fences make good neighbours,” he was arguing against the proposition.

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    • Ahh Liz don’t dampen this glimmer of sunshine…as a Horticulturalist, I preferred to suspend my knowledge of Cherry laurel cultural needs in deference to our current collective emotional need for separation from the for profit/ecocidal wealth inequality construct (that is now on steroids) to the south – that uninformed and deficient worldview voters just enabled.

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      • Perhaps you might translate that left wing psychobabble into English for the rest of us? No wait, never mind, from the rest of your posts, it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about anyway.

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  4. I don’t want to miss a moment, so it all begins at 3am here (Aust) tomorrow (Saturday) morning. Very early tea and toast with vegemite and great entertainment! Is it true that Las Vegas showgirls will be doing their thing on the podium during the swearing in?

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  5. It was funny, even tasteful, until the author decided to slam the incoming president with partisan vitriol. Now it’s just more liberal trashing, and you know what? A lot of us are tired of the whining of the snowflakes. You lost – get over it.

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      • And it would have been just as funny if the author had not lowered himself to trashing the incoming president. I see the humour, but it finished in bad taste.
        When I said ‘you lost’, I was referring to American democrats and liberals. I’m not sure what you thought I meant.

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        • For the record, what you refer to as trashing is the one part of this write-up that is factual. Your incoming president has encouraged nuclear proliferation, has denied climate change, has denigrated civil rights leaders, and has done so all via twitter. These are the only facts in this piece.

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    • First of all Out and Abouter – I’m Canadian, so it’s not “my incoming president”. Second of all, as a professional journalist, I pay attention to what’s going on, and since I spend a considerable amount of time in the US, I’m aware of the situation there. For example, your remark that Trump has “encouraged nuclear proliferation” is a liberal media concoction/misinterpretation – it’s not what he said at all. I suggest you do some reading.
      I did enjoy your piece, as I said, but it would have been far better had you stayed clear of the partisan remarks. That ruined it for me.

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      • “Let it be an arms race.” Are Donald’s thoughts on nuclear arms. Would seem to leave little room for misinterpretation. Glad you enjoyed the read, otherwise.

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        • Out and Abouter – some history first. Reagan got Star Wars up and running and the left decried, wailed and bemoaned that it would be the end of the world because of how it ramped up the arms race between the USSR and the US. Well, it didn’t. The Soviets went bust trying to outgun the USA, and thus, Reagan ended the Cold War without firing a shot. That’s what strength does for you.
          The US, under Obama mind you, was quietly in the process of upgrading and renewing the nuclear arsenal – something you probably don’t know. Something else you aren’t aware of is what Putin said just before Trump’s remark: ““We need to strengthen the military potential of strategic nuclear forces, especially with missile complexes that can reliably penetrate any existing and prospective missile defense systems.”
          Well, son of a gun. The USSR is suggesting an offensive weapons initiative and, let’s see if you can guess this one, who is their biggest enemy? You got it! The USA.
          So you tell me, what’s Trump supposed to do, pull an ‘Obama’ and say there’s a red line Putin can’t cross? That didn’t work very well last time, Obama tried that routine on Putin in Syria, and got punked. And guess what? The US isn’t even involved in the talks about how to determine Syria’s future, because Obama was so feckless.
          All Trump has done with his comments is say, ‘Fine, that’s how you want it? Well, Putin ol’ buddy – here’s what WE think of that: ““Let there be an arms race,” Trump replies, “because we will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.”
          Trump put Putin on notice that the US is not going to bail on any ‘red lines in the sand’ like Obama did – and reminded him that the US can easily outmatch Russia, just as Reagan did the much stronger USSR.
          Now to make you feel a bit easier, here’s another of Trump’s twitter remarks on the issue: “The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes”.
          Does that sound like someone talking about WW3? Or someone who is simply stating a fact – that if the US is strong, the rest of the world will start to behave itself appropriately.

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      • Hey Wally, this article is a joke. And by “joke” I don’t mean “joke” like you mean “joke,” I mean “joke” like humor, aka, “I’m going to tell you a joke.” Here’s the cool thing about jokes, you can say, “Wow, that’s funny, I like that joke.” or you can say, “I don’t think that joke is really that funny.” Either response is cool. It really is. But remember funny or not, you should not be so quick to reveal your “First and second of all, I’m a Canadian journalist” credentials quite so easily.

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      • You’re Canadian? Really? Hey, if you want, let’s switch country and you can live in the U.S. along with the rest of the Trumpanzees. With the Congress removing subsidized medical care for the U.S., I’m sure you could related very well here. Canada is an evil socialist country that subsidizes both your schools and medical care and I would love to get away from this country and trade places with you. Even your former conservative P.M. Harper was not stupid enough to remove your single payer health care and our socialist Democratic Senator Bernie Sanders mentioned this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ClPgKuUAM

        WallyM, are you willing to give up renounce your citizenship and move to the U.S., giving up your benefits to make a point? Yes, Canada has its issues with its single payer health care, like, waiting, but at least when you wait, you’re not dying nor are you losing your home. Welcome to the U.S. Renounce your citizenship, don’t move to my State of California, called little Canada and walk your talk and become a U.S. citizen. No? Then you’re just a naive Trumpanzee wannabe

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      • Want to pass some of that stuff you’re smoking over here? Ain’t happening. And if the left continues its obstructionism, those ten democratic senators facing re-election in 2018? Yea, the ones in states that Trump took bigtime? Can you say Republican supermajority?
        It’s politics, and once the silliness and grandstanding is over with, life will go on. It would help considerably if those demonstrating would get jobs too.

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      • It appears that Wally M (who claims to be a Canadian professional journalist) has an agenda/ideology with his “journalism”/propaganda.

        Where you opine “And if the left continues its obstructionism”…what obstructionism are you attempting to project? During confirmation hearings of Trump’s cabinet pick’s (predominantly unqualified for positions they are nominated for – academically, by experience or knowledge in the portfolio field or public service/government experience), Democratic Senators are representing their duty to their constituents and office in holding nominees to account for their unsuitability for office. The only obstructionism that appears to come from your divisive “left” appears to be towards the Republican/neoliberal/libertarian/right’s agenda against the public/common interest of protections to constitutional rights, civil liberties, protections to human and natural capital.

        It is the Republicans that have cornered obstructionism in U.S. government even to the point where they willfully abdicated their Duty to provide a hearing/confirmation of Obama’s well qualified Supreme Court Justice Nominee.

        I agree with Bob Mack – Trump, the extreme capitalists and despicable fossil fuel interests that have an agenda to ravage the planet for profit (under the guise of religious and libertarian faux freedom ideology)…have awakened the collective consciousness of the approximate 75% of humanity who understand that we are stronger together. The deficient ‘jobs/economy’ over health of living systems/productive pursuits/sustainable equitable prosperity is a false narrative that will be overcome…despite professional propagandist’s best efforts.

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      • Yes, it’s a brilliant satire on the wall. However, the need for it evokes a visceral reaction with those of us who value an inclusive, tolerant, peaceful and healthy future prosperity within a stable/biodiverse biosphere.

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  6. On behalf of concerned anti-trump (just can’t force myself to capitalize that “t”) Americans like me who live near the Michigan-Ontario border, could you please ask your unified front of premiers, national leaders, mayors, citizens and casual acquaintances to help arrange the temporary four-year annexation of the Great Lakes State by Canada and an extension of your cherry laurel hedge along our borders with Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio?

    –A very worried (and embarrassed) Metro Detroiter

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  7. If you were a “liberal”, as Walter Cronkite claimed to be, you would know that the term means to seek the truth and follow the facts. To him the term was not an ideological description and had a positive connotation. On the other hand a leftist was a reference to the person’s ideological leanings and whether it was positive or not most likely depended on your own ideological place on the political spectrum. Since the term “rightist” never seemed to gather much support we often talk in terms of “left wing” and “right wing”. It seems you fall under the latter term. This is unfortunate because you are as guilty as many left wing journalists of distorting or not seeking the truth but you don’t see that and deem yourself to be superior. You prefer to assess history in hard black and white terms when in fact much of it is various shades of grey. For a more in depth review of Ronald Reagan’s role in ending the Cold War I would suggest “Why Neither Reagan Nor the United States Won the Cold War” (an article by Alex Kingsbury in US News). The article was based on an interview with Jack Matlock who was a US ambassador to the USSR during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. I would think his opinion should carry some weight in any argument.

    I also tire of right wing conservatives who believe Ronald Reagan was a saint who could do no wrong. For example, when his administration was certifying human rights progress in El Salvador they knew the Salvadoran military was torturing and terrorizing Salvadorans. A year after 4 American nuns or churchwomen were raped and murdered by American trained military officers more than a 1000 innocent peasants were slaughtered by US trained soldiers led by officers who graduated from the School of the Americas (otherwise known as the School of the Assassins). This might not have occurred but for the tacit approval given by the Reagan Administration for the earlier murder of the four American women. Ronald Reagan’s administration actually tried to convince the world the women were responsible for their own deaths (see Jeane Kirkpatrick and Alexander Haig). Even the US ambassador to Salvador protested. Ronald Reagan drew no “red lines” so the death squads went about their horrific business while Ronald Reagan turned a blind eye. Many journalists in the 70’s and even early 80’s, critical of the guerrillas, wrote from El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua but did so from the verandas and comfortable hotels while speaking with the landowners, factory and plant owners – many of whom were either Americans or represented American interests. A friend of mine (working on a Masters degree) fluent in Spanish and the son of an American diplomat who had postings in South American countries, went into the jungles and into the fields and asked to talk to the guerrillas. He asked them why they accepted guns from Cuba. They told him this was their War of Independence and the US was, as often is the case, backing the “wrong side” because their corporations had very profitable interests there and human rights violations did not matter to them. The United Nations estimated that 85% of all killings of civilians were committed by government forces and 5% by guerrilla forces. Total estimated dead was 75,000 plus an unknown number that disappeared.

    I mention much of this because when many diligent American journalists began in the 80’s to investigate the unpalatable facts their lives were threatened and embassy officials did everything they could to discourage and hinder their work. They lived up to Walter Cronkite’s view on liberal journalists. And you, Wally M, have fallen well short based on your comments above. You are biased and extremely so it appears. It makes you less effective unless you only want to appeal to the converted. Open your eyes and your mind to all information and possibilities. Follow the truth and, in these turbulent times, follow the money.

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    • Lots of talk, very little in the way of verifiable facts or citations from you however. No one said Reagan was a saint, least of all myself – but let’s not forget Obama’s drone killings while we’re at it, just to keep some balance in this discussion. There’s a reason for the saying “War is hell”.
      On the other hand, Reagan was a considerably better president than many – including Carter, whom the US was very happy to be rid of. I mention Carter because the man was unfortunately similar to Obama in his thinking of how to use the might of the US, a frame of mind that led directly to the hostage crisis. Obama’s conscious decision to degrade the ability of the US to project force is directly responsible for a great many of the issues in the world today – ISIS, the South Pacific situation with the Chinese, Crimea and the Ukraine….a strong US perceived by the world as willing to step up to the plate with bat in hand would have contained or prevented these situations.
      The article you cited was written about a book written by a liberal ambassador in 2010. In it, the author states that Obama is the new Reagan. The past six years has certainly put that silly notion to rest, hasn’t it? We can dismiss that sort of thinking out of hand.
      The Brookings Institute states in an article on the topic: “Then, in 1985, soon after Reagan’s second inauguration, the vigorous, 54-year-old Gorbachev ascended to the leadership. He wanted to demilitarize Soviet foreign policy so that he could divert resources to the Augean task of fixing a broken economy.” It notes that Reagan was an excellent negotiator and recognized where, and how, he could work with Gorbachev. But we cannot forget, the US was a strong and determined force under Reagan – Gorbachev surely recognized that to compete was to lose.
      You’ll note, Brooking’s comments are exactly what I said, just much more elegantly phrased. The US presented the USSR with a ‘militarization’ that it simply could not afford, and this is precisely what Trump has now done. Economists use the phrase ‘guns and butter’ to describe the choices available to politicians.

      I note also that rather than address my comments in my earlier post, you choose instead to digress and accuse me of inaccuracy and of bias. In fact, you don’t even attempt to address my comments about the spin on Trump’s ‘nuclear’ remarks, and instead try to discredit my remarks by discussing things I didn’t even address.
      Nice try, but debate doesn’t work that way.

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  8. Good work Canada!
    Maybe England and Scotland can plan a simular action as the Scottish PM nolonger wanta to be part of the United Kingdom.

    In fact any Mexicans reading this? Get planting before the bafoon (Trump) builds that wall.

    Good luck!

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  9. Is this story true or a joke? At least the hedge is environmentally friendly, but the message is, in my opinion, ultimatley a creepy one. If Americans want to immigrate to Canada why shouldn’t they? I feel the same about Mexicans, they should be fully welcome in America it is a disgrace that they are not. As a quarter native, I always felt why should white people have the right to turn anyone away from America or Canada, it is land you stole and my ancestors paid for. Also the Americans moving to Canada will most likely be liberal and open minded ones… Two rights don’t make a wrong…. Just because Trump wants to build a wall, you don’t have to plant a hedge.

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    • Your 1/4 ancestors never paid for the land, they came over and squatted on it. As for Mexicans being welcome in the US, they are – as long as they immigrate legally. That’s how laws work, or should, and how they will work in the US after noon today.

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      • Seriously?, “Your ancestors never paid for it, they came over and squatted on it”??? You my friend, are an absolute idiot.
        All of North America was “owned” by the native population and was taken by force. Not the “presence of force”, but by simple murder.
        And once that was accomplished, they built walls, and then called them reservations.
        Debate as you will, but do it without absolute lunacy in your comments.

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        • …and, just for the record, where did the natives come from? They weren’t ‘native’ to North American, they crossed over the Bering Straits, and took the land.
          Before you criticize, read and learn your history. The claim of the natives to the land is as spurious as any. In fact, given that there was no native population on Newfoundland, the Vikings could well be said to be the owners there, if we follow your line of reasoning.
          Now as to how the natives were killed. The following quote is from a StatsCan document on native populations: “The war of extermination which was waged among the different tribes of the Huron-Iroquois race, inhabiting the villages around Lakes Ontario, Erie, Huron and vicinity, caused the almost complete extinction of the Hurons in 1648 and 1649, and reduced the numbers of the other tribes to such a point that the confederation of the five Iroquois nations, the most powerful aboriginal organization known, amounted, in 1665 and 1677, notwithstanding the annexions of the remainder of other tribes to only a few thousand souls.”
          In other words, they killed each other. Furthermore, according to census numbers from past centuries, there were probably never more than a quarter million natives in Canada – and most historians put the number at under 200k.
          So now you’re telling me that a population smaller than most Canadian cities owns Canada? Uh huh. You go guy!

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      • wow – following this thread makes my head hurt. i didn’t really get sucked into it until your comment about 1/4 ancestors never paying for the land and squatting on it…kinda like the US forefathers bullied their way into native american land and squatted on it, claiming it for their own. maybe you can say they “paid” for it by trading inconsequential and unsubstantial amounts and marching them to squalid ghettos, stealing their children and indoctrinating them into the “white way of life”, leaving them marginalized and broken. your rhetoric has reached the disgusting point.

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  10. Gee Karen – I’m so sorry you’re upset, but conflating the US experience with that of Canada’s is disingenuous (you can look that up) and completely inaccurate. When you can post something of substance and accuracy, then we can debate about how Canada dealt with its native population. And that doesn’t mean that I approve of it, just that it would be nice to discuss this with someone who has some facts at hand rather than her ‘disgust’.

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    • Nope CRP, I live in the real world (with a really great dog), with real facts and data, and make honest decisions based on them. That’s more than several people here can say – although they too may have a great dog in their lives!

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  11. Thank you Out and Abouter for a bit of levity when it is so badly needed! I recommend the addition of a secret garden or two along the hedge to offer a Canadian reprieve for those diligent enough to seek and find them inside our great nation. (And Wally this is neither your platform nor is this the day to be spouting arms agendas or any other rhetoric. Chill.)

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    • No, not my platform but since O&A has opened it to comments…. Or are you one of those who has a problem when MY right to free speech doesn’t accord with YOUR beliefs?

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      • Hate to tell you this, free speech does not apply here and the owner of this blog and legally censor you. Why? Free market capitalism. They can determine what can and cannot be placed on their property. You can only scream First Amendment right if this was a government site and get this? This is a Canadian site…the First Amendment and Second Amendment does not apply.

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        • Then move here to the U.S. You speak highly of our conservative elected officials, renounce your citizenship. Get rid of your single payer health care benefits and pick yourself up by your own bootstraps…or hush it, because your attempt to be conservative in a socialist country is laughable

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      • Tim – unfortunately, my earlier post ended up being “My my Tim”, and although that expressed my thinking on your comment, the balance of it failed to upload. So…
        My respect goes out to Out and About for hosting this blog and comments, rather than doing as so many others do, particularly on the left, by censoring comments and retaining only those that they agree with. Given the left’s penchant for safe spaces, microaggressions and the rest of that crap, censoring to protect your feeble minds seems a logical extension. We can’t have you exposed to any thoughts that might not concur with your beliefs now, can we?
        I recognize that this is a Canadian site – but we in Canada (oh yes, I’m Canadian) happen to have the right of free speech also, guaranteed by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Using the First Amendment was to maintain relevance to an American poster who wouldn’t necessarily know what the CRF is.

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        • But you drone on how great the republicans are. Still, comparing Bush Jr. to Harper, Harper is liberal. I hate the ACA but it would have been the precursor to a single payer health care in the U.S. much like Canada and now with Trump in office and a majority of Republicans want to do away with the ACA and any hopes of a single payer health plan.

          Still, as much as you love our conservatives in the U.S. would you like to renounce your Canadian citizenship and move here? Would you?

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  12. Well, I was really laughing and enjoying this article until I read the comments. Now I’m thoroughly discouraged. I’m certainly not a Trump fan but I’m a hell of a lot more worried about my fellow Americans (and Canadians, per this thread) and the vitriol they are spewing at each other, because he rose up from that, not the other way around.

    My bubble of ideology that we all ultimately were working toward the same thing (liberty and justice for all) even if we had different ways of going about it has been completely burst. I’m not whining and I’m not crying so don’t put me in that category. I didn’t “lose”, because I don’t play a win/lose game.

    Tomorrow, I march. After that remains to be seen.

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    • Well, when you talk about vitriol, how about you look at the abuse heaped on Reagan, Bush I and II, and now Trump. It’s never ending. That’s just the abuse, that doesn’t count the lies from people like Dan Rather – remember him, lying about Bush – cost him his job. Look at the lies about Sessions for Secretary of the DoJ. They call him a racist, even black legislators who were, and said they were, proud to work with him in the past.
      You bitch and complain about the abuse, but the left has got more than its share of mud on its hands.
      March – but it’s not going to change a thing with this administration. I sometimes think that’s the biggest fear of the left – that Trump will be hugely (yugely?) successful and put the boots to their agenda over this past 30 years or so.

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      • Then leave Canada, stop being an armchair quarterback, move to a red state, pick yourself up from the bootstrap, pay for your own medical insurance and practice what you are preaching but not in the safety of your LIBERAL country but in my NEOCONSERVATIVE/NEOLIBERAL country called the USA

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  13. Here in the U.K. We tried the same thing but sadly it sank into the ocean. Like the UK is going to do too now we’re on our own 😩

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  14. People like WallyM makes me want to defect to Canada

    Wally M is your typical U.S. Trumpanzee who believes a doughnut shop (No not Timmy) in D.C. is a Hillary child prostitution ring and folks like him believes everything they read. The problem is, critical thinking is something they don’t support. For example, many of the Trump supporters want to do away with Obamacare. When Trump supporters and the Republicans were elated and shouting for joy, someone explained to them that Obamacare was a nickname for the ACA,Then this happened: http://tinyurl.com/zs73db7. Many of the Trumpanzee bought their insurance from the ACA and many of them will lose it because they supported a candidate who wanted to remove Obamacare.

    So your story, though humor or humour is fact to them…that’s why this story is getting a lot of traction.

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    • For starters Tim- I’m Canadian. Hopefully that will make you change your mind about coming here, as frankly, we have more than enough ill informed liberals here.
      Secondly, if you’d bothered to read any of the other posts I’ve put here, you’d find a degree of fact and analysis that you clearly aren’t capable of. For example – your little story about Obamacare and the ACA – that study was all groups, not just conservatives. Here’s some evidence for you from a liberal source: “A few weeks ago, a CNBC poll purported to show major differences when asked about the law in different manners: 46% were against Obamacare, while only 37% were opposed to the ACA. Importantly, support for the healthcare law also dropped from 29% to 22%.”
      So you see, you don’t know what you’re talking about, do you? And you wonder why Trump won? You could start your education by simply paying attention to what’s going on.

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      • Then move here and renounce your citizenship. No more single payer health care, high deductible and no subsidized education. We’re taking in white immigrants, become one here…your not that silly, are you?

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      • My Tim – you’re quite the ill informed bigot aren’t you? FYI, I spend considerable time in the US – close to six months a year – as a magazine writer and author. Unlike many (possibly like yourself?), I have a very high level of knowledge of how your system works, as well as an awareness of what’s going on.
        I don’t want to live in the US – I happen to enjoy, and feel pride in, being a Canadian, just as you probably do about being an American.
        Contrary to what you’ve said and likely believe because you don’t pay attention, or listen to too many left wing information sources, your country’s immigration goals have not been changed, and most certainly not to a focus on whites. The only change that’s been discussed is the situation around illegal immigrants.
        FYI, according to Pew, 5% of your workforce is made up of illegal immigrants. What’s your unemployment rate now? It’s about that, so if you got rid of the illegals, you’d effectively eliminate unemployment, provided Americans wanted to do those jobs. But add in the U6 unemployment numbers – you DO know what that is don’t you clever boy? – and you’d effectively half your true unemployment rate, bringing it to a level that the country could comfortably sustain. Sorry if that’s too much economic analysis for you, but I’ve deliberately avoided the complex stuff so that you might have a hope of understanding.
        FYI – I happen to feel that the Republican party is making a mistake on single payer health care. That being said, the ACA was and is a disaster and needs to be repealed and replaced with a system that works.

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      • Tim – I appreciate your offer, I truly do, but I happen to like being Canadian – and I already have some ‘American’ ancestry via my paternal grandmother. I simply don’t want to become an American – and there’s no disrespect intended there just to be clear – but my heart is with Canada. I suspect you understand that as you’re clearly a proud American. Let me say this – when I criticize, it’s not because I don’t like America – it’s because I do like it, and want the best for it.
        Perhaps some day we’ll sit down and chat about this over a beer. I like Yeungling! 🙂

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  15. Love the comments. I just feel badly that we have come to this, where instead of building bridges between all countries we are building walls and hedges. My grandparents were Canadian and I have been there too many times to count for visits and for business. I do not want to feel alienated from this country which one of my ancestors settled in the 1600s.

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  16. Loving the one-man echo chamber here. Hellbent on refuting every single comment with noise instead of conversation. I guess journalism these days has been stripped of its standards and instead it got equipped with megaphones because, clearly, only the loudest opinions count. At this point I’d really just like to refer to: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/satire?s=t
    Under *normal* circumstances literature like this should really not give rise to ad hominem attacks. For good measure: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ad-hominem?s=t

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  17. I just spent 45 minutes reading the article and all the comments below. The article was interesting, although I will admit to a lack of knowledge of some of the contents so won’t comment further on it. What happened below is more interesting and disturbing. Everyone seems to be throwing eggs at each other, and everyone thinks their eggs are better than the other persons. And could you please be a little more careful about typing? It is hard to understand and sometimes comes across as unintentionally funny when a mis-typed word or letter appears. Depending on the time of day where you are, I suggest you put your coat on, go outside and go for a walk. Breath the air and calm down. Yes the world is a mess but it won’t help putting so much pressure on chickens.

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      • Don’t be so elitist – it’s not becoming. Very few people were fooled by this satire and few Americans are as stupid as you would like to believe. There is nothing worse than some damned sanctimonious Canadian harping about Americans.

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  18. As you’ve seen attached to this post, some of what Americans are quick to believe, according to what they’ve said, is so outrageous as to be laughable; if it wasn’t so frightening. Unfortunately, i’ve seen similar memes and misinformation accepted as facts by Canadians. Obviously humanity hasn’t yet reached the tipping point where functional reasoning and emotional intelligence are the norm for a majority.

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  19. I know, its shocking. And in Canada, we have another Billionaire reality tv star, who lives in the US, trying to become the leader of Canada’s Conservative Party. The world has flipped topsy-turvy so now we wait until the worm turns again, as it always does.

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  20. A hedge is the perfect metaphor of a neighbourly division of boundary. A boundary can be made physically to divide property or personal space but as individuals we raise boundaries every day when we interact with family, coworkers or strangers. To protect our personal values. We don’t disagree with your choices because you are American, we disagree because as people we disagree with what you are currently saying you stand for because you chose that person to be in power. If our neighbours sharing a border and our economy where Mexico or Australia a hedge will Still go up. Maybe you prefer a picket fence ? Then build that on your side. In response to the comment that stated “Canadians are unfriendly or too French” in my experience as someone who has travelled Outside of North America and lives in Canada. People are only as friendly to you as YOU are to them travelling or not. And unless you Only interacted with French Canadians in Quebec our French province, we are no more French than a Texan is Mexican. Our citizens are French, English and have Many other cultures as their Background. That is what makes us Canadians, the ability or at least the strong attempt to both respect and incorporate into our culture, the culture of our citizens represents a sample of what the REAL World looks like outside our National boundaries therefore strengthen us. So before you comment stating that Canada was not English enough, I breaking news for you? Since most of history The World has not been English either. If you ever check a map all those other land masses not attached to North America with the exception of England, are Not English, they may have people who speak The English Language ( which is not a country or Continent) . But the rest which is ABOUT 70% OF the World isn’t. They are cultures with their own customs and language and pretty Happy about that. Some have chosen for many reasons to come to Canada and the States. As Canadians we respect and embrace that so we build a hedge because your present President doesn’t. AND if you feel that having a knowledge of the World, our Own cultures and values makes us feel Superior. Personally I am quite Alright with that.

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